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Citizenship Training Smiling Sparrow 02/13/23 (Mon) 07:34:46 No.11851

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Assertion: Society has the wrong idea about prison and jail generally. These facilitates train people to be good citizens and generally with more training comes better performance. Former inmates, especially those with good behavior, should be considered to be better trained to obey law than average citizens.

(Or a softer claim, if you like: there is no reason things couldn't usually work that way, if the state really wanted to help people generally.)

Eager Fox 02/13/23 (Mon) 09:15:54 No.11852

Well, there's huge debate on the use of prisons in society.

Since, s I have heard, our current prison system sucks at rehabilitating inmates. We lock them up, set them to do slave labour and lock them away from society, set them with other individuals who hate society and let them radicalize even more.
Then we release them without much training what the outside is really like. so they have no choice to fall back on their old evil ways.

It's kind of controversial to think about, but I heard the argument be that we should never lock people up, instead, we should provide people with the opportunity on misdeeds to seek counsel / support to better themselves.
But probably you can't sell that to someone whose friend is violently raped and left in an alley fighting for her life.

Smiling Sparrow 02/13/23 (Mon) 13:56:15 No.11853

>>11852
>the argument be that we should never lock people up
While I try to steer clear of psychology, my perception is no matter how good the carceral system there will still be Jeffrey Dahmer types that may never be releasable.

I can't tell whether you're arguing for or against the assertion, or just saying in general that there are various opinions.

Blushing Mouse 02/14/23 (Tue) 07:21:33 No.11854

Oh they have those in some countries. They're called reeducation camps.

They're usually different from prisons.

Smiling Sparrow 02/14/23 (Tue) 14:21:48 No.11855

>>11854
Is it something other than crime that triggers this reeducation, then? Why are they different?

Talented Dinosaur 02/14/23 (Tue) 17:43:00 No.11856

>>11855
They're still crimes but they tend to be more "political" crimes or "thought" crimes.

Smiling Sparrow 02/14/23 (Tue) 23:21:08 No.11857

>>11856
I'm guessing you mean things like participating in a protest illegally or expressing a disrespectful attitude toward law enforcement. (States can't yet read thoughts, I don't think). That system sounds better, at least as a goal to recondition those who have broken the law.

Gorgeous Iguana 03/06/23 (Mon) 18:21:50 No.11863

>>11851

Counter-assertion: prisons are ostensibly about rehabilitation but the reality about how thet are actually used is primarily as a source of slave labour, a show of state power to use violence, and to fulfill a base desire for retribution in the public at large regardless of justice.

Smiling Sparrow 03/13/23 (Mon) 05:31:36 No.11865

>>11863
>a source of slave labour,
Are discharged slaves not trained in respect for masters and bosses to a greater degree than those who do not have experience with slavery?

>a show of state power to use violence
Again, something to cause respect for authority.

>a base desire for retribution in the public at large regardless of justice

Well, conditioning proper behavior through negative feedback and retribution can coincide. To the point where the retribution fails to be proportional -- somewhere around that point further punishment is probably damaging.

I'm not sure anything you said is particularity counter, or anything that would establish that those discharged from prison or jail should be considered untrustworthy.